Treinritten vanaf Deventer op 18 oktober 2020

Deze pagina toont alle treinen die vertrokken zijn vanaf station Deventer op zondag 18 oktober 2020. Dit bevat alle treinen die gepland waren om te vertrekken, inclusief treinen die uiteindelijk opgeheven zijn.

Treinritten die vooraf uit de dienstregeling gehaald zijn, bijvoorbeeld wegens werkzaamheden, zijn niet opgenomen in dit overzicht.

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Deventer
zondag 18 oktober 2020
Totaal aantal ritten 178
Op tijd 176 (99%)
Uitgevallen treinen 0 (0%)
Vertraagde treinen* 2 (1%)
* treinen vertraagd vanaf 5 minuten of meer, exclusief uitgevallen treinen

Treinritten

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07:00 – 08:00

2 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
— 07:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1722 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4232 ->
— 07:35 +2 Almelo Sprinter 7019 1
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->

08:00 – 09:00

10 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
— 08:03 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1724 4b
ICM-3
ICM-3 4077 ->
08:14 08:15 Zutphen Intercity 703629 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
08:15 08:16 Zwolle Intercity 703618 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
08:12 08:18 +3 Hannover Hbf Intercity 141 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7705, E-LOC-1700 1765 ->
08:24 08:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7026 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
08:27 +1 08:30 +1 Enschede Intercity 1723 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4082 ->
08:30 08:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1726 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7614 ->
08:34 08:35 Almelo Sprinter 7023 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
08:44 +1 08:45 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703631 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
08:45 08:46 Zwolle Intercity 703620 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->

09:00 – 10:00

10 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
08:57 09:00 Enschede Intercity 1725 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4088 ->
09:00 09:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1728 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4038, ICM-3 4014 ->
09:14 09:15 Zutphen Intercity 703633 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
09:15 09:16 Zwolle Intercity 703622 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
09:24 09:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7030 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
09:27 09:30 Enschede Intercity 1727 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4067 ->
09:30 09:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1730 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4081, ICM-3 4017 ->
09:34 09:35 Almelo Sprinter 7027 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
09:44 +1 09:45 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703635 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
09:45 09:46 +1 Zwolle Intercity 703624 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->

10:00 – 11:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
09:57 10:00 Enschede Intercity 1729 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4042 ->
10:00 10:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1732 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4033, ICM-3 4092 ->
10:14 10:15 Zutphen Intercity 703637 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
10:15 10:16 Zwolle Intercity 703626 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
10:12 10:18 Berlin Ostbahnhof Intercity 143 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7707, E-LOC-1700 1744 ->
10:24 10:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7034 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
10:27 10:30 Enschede Intercity 1731 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4211 ->
10:30 10:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1734 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4082, ICM-4 4207 ->
10:34 10:35 Almelo Sprinter 7031 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
10:44 10:45 +3 Zutphen Intercity 703639 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
10:45 +3 10:46 +3 Zwolle Intercity 703628 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->

11:00 – 12:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
10:57 11:00 Enschede Intercity 1733 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4232 ->
11:00 11:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1736 3a
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4088, ICM-3 4079 ->
11:14 11:15 Zutphen Intercity 703641 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
11:15 11:16 Zwolle Intercity 703630 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
11:24 11:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7038 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
11:27 +5 11:30 +5 Enschede Intercity 1735 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4215, ICM-3 4077 ->
11:30 11:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1738 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4067, ICM-4 4238 ->
11:34 +4 11:35 +4 Almelo Sprinter 7035 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
11:44 11:45 +2 Zutphen Intercity 703643 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
11:45 11:46 +1 Zwolle Intercity 703632 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
11:41 +2 11:48 Amersfoort Centraal Intercity 240 3
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7702, E-LOC-1700 1765 ->

12:00 – 13:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
11:57 12:00 Enschede Intercity 1737 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7614 ->
12:00 12:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1740 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4042, ICM-3 4020 ->
12:14 12:15 Zutphen Intercity 703645 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
12:15 12:16 Zwolle Intercity 703634 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
12:12 12:18 Hannover Hbf Intercity 145 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7703, E-LOC-1700 1761 ->
12:24 12:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7042 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
12:27 12:30 Enschede Intercity 1739 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4014, ICM-3 4038 ->
12:30 12:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1742 4
ICM-4ICM-4
ICM-4 4211, ICM-4 4234 ->
12:34 12:35 Almelo Sprinter 7039 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
12:44 12:45 Zutphen Intercity 703647 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
12:45 12:46 Zwolle Intercity 703636 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->

13:00 – 14:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
12:57 13:00 Enschede Intercity 1741 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4017, ICM-3 4081 ->
13:00 13:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1744 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4232 ->
13:14 13:15 Zutphen Intercity 703649 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
13:15 13:16 Zwolle Intercity 703638 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
13:24 13:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7046 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
13:27 +1 13:30 Enschede Intercity 1743 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4092, ICM-3 4033 ->
13:30 13:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1746 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4077, ICM-4 4215 ->
13:34 13:35 Almelo Sprinter 7043 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
13:44 13:45 Zutphen Intercity 703651 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
13:45 13:46 Zwolle Intercity 703640 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
13:41 13:48 Amersfoort Centraal Intercity 148 3
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7709, E-LOC-1700 1744 ->

14:00 – 15:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
13:57 14:00 Enschede Intercity 1745 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4207, ICM-3 4082 ->
14:00 14:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1748 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7614 ->
14:14 14:15 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703653 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
14:15 14:16 Zwolle Intercity 703642 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
14:12 14:18 Hannover Hbf Intercity 147 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7702, E-LOC-1700 1745 ->
14:24 +3 14:25 +3 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7050 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
14:27 14:30 Enschede Intercity 1747 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4079, ICM-3 4088 ->
14:30 14:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1750 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4038, ICM-3 4014 ->
14:34 14:35 Almelo Sprinter 7047 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
14:44 +3 14:45 +3 Zutphen Intercity 703655 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
14:45 +3 14:46 +3 Zwolle Intercity 703644 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->

15:00 – 16:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
14:57 15:00 Enschede Intercity 1749 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4238, ICM-3 4067 ->
15:00 15:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1752 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4081, ICM-3 4017 ->
15:14 15:15 Zutphen Intercity 703657 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
15:15 15:16 Zwolle Intercity 703646 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
15:24 15:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7054 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
15:27 15:30 Enschede Intercity 1751 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4020, ICM-3 4042 ->
15:30 15:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1754 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4033, ICM-3 4092 ->
15:34 15:35 Almelo Sprinter 7051 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
15:44 15:45 Zutphen Intercity 703659 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
15:45 15:46 Zwolle Intercity 703648 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
15:41 15:48 Amersfoort Centraal Intercity 146 3
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7706, E-LOC-1700 1761 ->

16:00 – 17:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
15:57 16:00 Enschede Intercity 1753 1
ICM-4ICM-4
ICM-4 4234, ICM-4 4211 ->
16:00 16:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1756 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4082, ICM-4 4207 ->
16:14 16:15 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703661 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
16:15 16:16 Zwolle Intercity 703650 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
16:12 16:18 Hannover Hbf Intercity 149 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7709, E-LOC-1700 1765 ->
16:24 +1 16:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7058 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
16:27 16:30 Enschede Intercity 1755 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4025, ICM-4 4232 ->
16:30 16:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1758 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4088, ICM-3 4079 ->
16:34 16:35 Almelo Sprinter 7055 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
16:44 16:45 Zutphen Intercity 703663 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
16:45 +9 16:46 +9 Zwolle Intercity 703652 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->

17:00 – 18:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
16:57 17:00 Enschede Intercity 1757 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4215, ICM-3 4077 ->
17:00 17:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1760 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4067, ICM-4 4238 ->
17:14 17:15 Zutphen Intercity 703665 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
17:15 17:16 +1 Zwolle Intercity 703654 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
17:24 17:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7062 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
17:27 17:30 Enschede Intercity 1759 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7614 ->
17:30 17:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1762 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4042, ICM-3 4020 ->
17:34 17:35 Almelo Sprinter 7059 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
17:44 17:45 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703667 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
17:45 17:46 +1 Zwolle Intercity 703656 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
17:41 17:48 Amersfoort Centraal Intercity 144 3
E-LOC-1700DB-BER9-9
E-LOC-1700 1745, DB-BER9-9 7710 ->

18:00 – 19:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
17:57 18:00 Enschede Intercity 1761 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4014, ICM-3 4038 ->
18:00 18:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1764 4
ICM-4ICM-4
ICM-4 4211, ICM-4 4234 ->
18:14 18:15 Zutphen Intercity 703669 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
18:15 18:16 Zwolle Intercity 703658 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
18:12 18:18 Hannover Hbf Intercity 241 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7706, E-LOC-1700 1744 ->
18:24 18:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7066 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
18:27 18:30 Enschede Intercity 1763 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4017, ICM-3 4081 ->
18:30 18:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1766 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4232, ICM-3 4025 ->
18:34 18:35 Almelo Sprinter 7063 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
18:44 18:45 Zutphen Intercity 703671 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
18:45 18:46 Zwolle Intercity 703660 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->

19:00 – 20:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
18:57 +1 19:00 Enschede Intercity 1765 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4092, ICM-3 4033 ->
19:00 19:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1768 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4077, ICM-4 4215 ->
19:14 19:15 Zutphen Intercity 703673 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
19:15 19:16 Zwolle Intercity 703662 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
19:24 19:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7070 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
19:27 19:30 Enschede Intercity 1767 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4207, ICM-3 4082 ->
19:30 19:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1770 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7614 ->
19:34 19:35 Almelo Sprinter 7067 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
19:43 19:45 Zutphen Intercity 703675 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
19:45 19:46 Zwolle Intercity 703664 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
19:41 19:48 Amersfoort Centraal Intercity 142 3
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7707, E-LOC-1700 1765 ->

20:00 – 21:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
19:57 20:00 Enschede Intercity 1769 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4079, ICM-3 4088 ->
20:00 20:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1772 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4038, ICM-3 4014 ->
20:14 +3 20:15 +3 Zutphen Intercity 703677 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
20:15 +3 20:16 +3 Zwolle Intercity 703666 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
20:12 20:18 +2 Hannover Hbf Intercity 243 1
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7710, E-LOC-1700 1761 ->
20:24 20:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7074 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
20:27 20:30 Enschede Intercity 1771 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4238, ICM-3 4067 ->
20:30 20:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1774 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4081, ICM-3 4017 ->
20:34 20:35 +1 Almelo Sprinter 7071 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
20:44 20:45 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703679 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
20:45 20:46 Zwolle Intercity 703668 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->

21:00 – 22:00

11 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
20:57 21:00 Enschede Intercity 1773 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4020, ICM-3 4042 ->
21:00 21:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1776 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4033, ICM-3 4092 ->
21:14 21:15 Zutphen Intercity 703681 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
21:15 21:16 Zwolle Intercity 703670 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
21:24 +2 21:25 +2 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7078 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
21:27 21:30 Enschede Intercity 1775 1
ICM-4ICM-4
ICM-4 4234, ICM-4 4211 ->
21:30 21:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1778 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4082 ->
21:34 21:35 Almelo Sprinter 7075 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
21:44 21:45 Zutphen Intercity 703683 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
21:45 21:46 Zwolle Intercity 703672 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
21:41 21:48 Amersfoort Centraal Intercity 140 3
DB-BER9-9E-LOC-1700
DB-BER9-9 7703, E-LOC-1700 1744 ->

22:00 – 23:00

10 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
21:57 22:00 Enschede Intercity 1777 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4232 ->
22:00 22:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1780 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4088, ICM-3 4079 ->
22:14 +2 22:15 +2 Zutphen Intercity 703685 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
22:15 22:16 Zwolle Intercity 703674 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
22:24 22:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7082 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
22:27 22:30 Enschede Intercity 1779 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4215, ICM-3 4077 ->
22:30 22:33 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1782 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4067 ->
22:34 22:35 Almelo Sprinter 7079 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2938 ->
22:44 22:45 Zutphen Intercity 703687 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
22:45 22:46 Zwolle Intercity 703676 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->

23:00 – 24:00

10 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
22:57 23:00 Enschede Intercity 1781 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7614 ->
23:00 23:03 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1784 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4042, ICM-3 4020 ->
23:14 23:15 Zutphen Intercity 703689 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->
23:15 23:16 Zwolle Intercity 703678 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
23:24 23:25 Apeldoorn Sprinter 7086 4
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2941 ->
23:27 23:30 Enschede Intercity 1783 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4076 ->
23:30 23:33 Utrecht Centraal Intercity 1786 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7530 ->
23:34 23:35 Almelo Sprinter 7083 3
SGMM-3
SGMM-3 2976 ->
23:44 23:45 +1 Zutphen Intercity 703691 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
23:45 23:46 Zwolle Intercity 703680 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4220 ->

00:00 – 01:00

4 treinen, 0 opgeheven (0%), 0 vertraagd (0%)

Aank. Vertr. Bestemming Trein Spr.
23:57 00:00 Enschede Intercity 1785 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4017 ->
00:14 00:15 Zutphen Intercity 703693 3
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
00:15 00:16 Zwolle Intercity 703682 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7501 ->
00:27 00:31 Enschede Intercity 1787 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4033 ->

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