Train services at Lelystad Centrum on February 3, 2023

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Lelystad Centrum on Friday, February 3, 2023. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Lelystad Centrum
Friday, February 3, 2023
Total services 164
On time 128 (78%)
Cancelled services 20 (12%)
Delayed trains* 16 (10%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

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04:00 – 05:00

3 services, 1 cancelled (33.3%), 1 delayed (33.3%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 04:24 Almere Oostvaarders Stopbus i.p.v. trein 981243 —
Train did not depart
— 04:24 Almere Oostvaarders Stopbus i.p.v. trein 980656 —
— 04:56 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4310 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2321 ->

05:00 – 06:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 05:14 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4610 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2701 ->
— 05:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4612 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2361, SNG-3 2326 ->
— 05:41 Groningen Intercity 713 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4085, ICM-4 4201 ->
— 05:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1812 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9567 ->
— 05:54 +1 Dordrecht Intercity 2425 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8621 ->

06:00 – 07:00

7 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:07 +4 06:10 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4614 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 2327, SNG-3 3033 ->
— 06:11 Leeuwarden Intercity 1815 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4015, ICM-3 4020 ->
06:12 +2 06:13 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 714 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4039, ICM-3 4086 ->
06:37 06:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4616 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3042, SNG-3 2332, SNG-3 3032 ->
06:42 +1 06:43 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1816 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4069, ICM-4 4227 ->
06:46 06:47 Groningen Intercity 717 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4062, ICM-3 4081 ->
06:50 06:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4617 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2722 ->

07:00 – 08:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:07 07:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4618 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2724, SNG-4 2775 ->
07:12 07:13 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 718 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8740 ->
07:16 07:17 +1 Leeuwarden Intercity 1819 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4057, ICM-3 4035 ->
07:20 07:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4619 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2756, SNG-4 2702 ->
07:37 07:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4620 2
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2725, SNG-4 2782, SNG-4 2768 ->
07:42 07:43 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1820 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7541 ->
07:46 07:47 Groningen Intercity 721 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4086, ICM-3 4039 ->
07:50 07:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4621 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2739 ->

08:00 – 09:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:07 08:10 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4622 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2722, SNG-4 2721 ->
08:12 08:13 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 722 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7608 ->
08:16 08:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1823 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7522 ->
08:20 08:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4623 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3023, SNG-3 2348 ->
08:37 08:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4624 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2702, SNG-4 2756 ->
08:42 08:43 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1824 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7515 ->
08:46 08:47 Groningen Intercity 725 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7649 ->
08:50 08:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4625 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2703, SNG-4 2734 ->

09:00 – 10:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:07 09:10 +8 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4626 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2306, SNG-4 2739 ->
09:12 +3 09:13 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 726 1
ICM-4ICM-4
ICM-4 4225, ICM-4 4239 ->
09:16 09:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1827 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7646 ->
09:20 09:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4627 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2308 ->
09:37 09:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4628 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 3023 ->
09:42 09:43 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1828 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4020, ICM-3 4015 ->
09:46 09:47 Groningen Intercity 729 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4230, ICM-3 4038 ->
09:50 09:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4629 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2349, SNG-3 3016 ->

10:00 – 11:00

13 services, 10 cancelled (76.9%), 10 delayed (76.9%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:07 +5 10:10 +4 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4630 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2734, SNG-4 2703 ->
10:12 +4 10:13 +32 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 730 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4081, ICM-3 4062 ->
10:16 10:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1831 4
Train did not depart
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4220, ICM-3 4040 ->
10:16 10:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 301831 —
Train is cancelled
10:20 +17 10:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4631 3
Train did not depart
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2779, SNG-3 2362 ->
10:20 10:24 Zwolle Sprinter 304631 —
Train is cancelled
10:37 10:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4632 —
Train is cancelled
10:37 10:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 304632 —
Train is cancelled
10:42 10:43 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1832 —
Train is cancelled
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:46 +33 10:47 +40 Groningen Intercity 733 2
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7541 ->
10:46 10:47 Groningen Intercity 300733 —
Train is cancelled
10:50 +41 10:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4633 2
Train did not depart
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2321, SNG-4 2701 ->
10:50 10:54 Zwolle Sprinter 304633 —
Train is cancelled

11:00 – 12:00

11 services, 8 cancelled (72.7%), 8 delayed (72.7%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:07 11:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4634 —
Train is cancelled
11:07 11:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 304634 —
Train is cancelled
11:12 11:13 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 734 —
Train is cancelled
11:16 +28 11:17 +35 Leeuwarden Intercity 1835 3
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8740 ->
11:20 11:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4635 —
Train is cancelled
11:37 11:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4636 —
Train is cancelled
11:37 11:40 +25 Hoofddorp Sprinter 304636 2
Train did not arrive
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2701, SNG-3 2321 ->
11:42 +6 11:43 +9 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1836 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7522 ->
11:46 +31 11:47 Groningen Intercity 737 4
Train did not depart
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4062, ICM-3 4081 ->
11:46 11:47 Groningen Intercity 300737 —
Train is cancelled
11:50 +3 11:54 +17 Zwolle Sprinter 4637 4
SNG-3
SNG-3 2361 ->

12:00 – 13:00

8 services, 1 cancelled (12.5%), 1 delayed (12.5%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:07 12:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4638 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3016, SNG-3 2349 ->
12:12 +2 12:13 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 738 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7649 ->
12:16 +10 12:17 +10 Leeuwarden Intercity 1839 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7515 ->
12:20 +7 12:24 +10 Zwolle Sprinter 4639 4
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3032, SNG-3 2332, SNG-3 3042 ->
12:37 12:40 +13 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4640 2
Train did not arrive
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2308, SNG-3 2326 ->
12:42 +2 12:43 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1840 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
12:46 +7 12:47 +7 Groningen Intercity 741 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7608 ->
12:50 12:54 +4 Zwolle Sprinter 4641 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2775, SNG-4 2724 ->

13:00 – 14:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:07 +4 13:10 +6 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4642 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2361, SNG-4 2755 ->
13:12 +1 13:13 +5 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 742 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4038, ICM-4 4230 ->
13:16 +7 13:17 +7 Leeuwarden Intercity 1843 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4015, ICM-3 4020 ->
13:20 13:24 +2 Zwolle Sprinter 4643 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2327 ->
13:38 13:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4644 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3042, SNG-3 2332, SNG-3 3032 ->
13:42 13:43 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1844 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4039, ICM-3 4086 ->
13:46 13:47 +1 Groningen Intercity 745 3
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7649 ->
13:50 +1 13:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4645 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2721, SNG-4 2722 ->

14:00 – 15:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:07 +5 14:10 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4646 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2724, SNG-4 2775 ->
14:12 +5 14:13 +5 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 746 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7541 ->
14:16 14:17 +1 Leeuwarden Intercity 1847 3
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8713 ->
14:20 14:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4647 4
SLT-4SLT-6
SLT-4 2411, SLT-6 2640 ->
14:37 14:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4648 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2327, SNG-4 2709 ->
14:42 +2 14:43 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1848 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8740 ->
14:46 +1 14:47 +1 Groningen Intercity 749 4
ICM-4ICM-4
ICM-4 4239, ICM-4 4225 ->
14:50 14:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4649 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2739, SNG-3 2306 ->

15:00 – 16:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:07 15:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4650 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2722, SNG-4 2721 ->
15:12 +10 15:13 +10 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 750 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4073, ICM-3 4081 ->
15:16 15:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1851 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7522 ->
15:20 15:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4651 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3023, SNG-3 2348 ->
15:37 15:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4652 2
SLT-6SLT-4
SLT-6 2640, SLT-4 2411 ->
15:42 15:43 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1852 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7515 ->
15:46 15:47 +1 Groningen Intercity 753 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7541 ->
15:50 15:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4653 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2703, SNG-4 2734 ->

16:00 – 17:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:07 16:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4654 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2306, SNG-4 2739 ->
16:12 16:13 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 754 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7608 ->
16:16 16:17 +1 Leeuwarden Intercity 1855 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
16:20 16:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4655 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2702 ->
16:37 +1 16:40 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4656 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 3023, SNG-3 3033 ->
16:42 16:43 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1856 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4020, ICM-3 4015 ->
16:46 16:47 Groningen Intercity 757 4
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9569 ->
16:50 16:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4657 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2779, SNG-3 2362 ->

17:00 – 18:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:07 17:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4658 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2734, SNG-4 2703 ->
17:12 17:13 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 758 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7649 ->
17:16 17:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1859 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4086, ICM-3 4039 ->
17:20 17:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4659 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2321, SNG-4 2701 ->
17:37 17:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4660 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2702, SNG-4 2719 ->
17:42 +3 17:43 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1860 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8713 ->
17:46 17:47 Groningen Intercity 761 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4230, ICM-3 4038 ->
17:50 17:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4661 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 3006 ->

18:00 – 19:00

8 services, 1 cancelled (12.5%), 1 delayed (12.5%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:07 18:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4662 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2362, SNG-4 2779 ->
18:12 18:13 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 762 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4225, ICM-3 4088 ->
18:16 18:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1863 4
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8740 ->
18:20 18:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4663 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 2308 ->
18:37 18:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4664 —
Train is cancelled
18:42 +10 18:43 +10 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1864 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7522 ->
18:46 18:47 Groningen Intercity 765 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4227, ICM-3 4069 ->
18:50 18:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4665 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2755, SNG-3 2361 ->

19:00 – 20:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:07 19:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4666 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3006, SNG-4 2756 ->
19:12 19:13 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 766 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7541 ->
19:16 +2 19:17 +3 Leeuwarden Intercity 1867 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4081, ICM-3 4073 ->
19:20 19:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4667 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 3042 ->
19:37 19:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4668 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2308, SNG-3 2326 ->
19:42 +1 19:43 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1868 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
19:46 19:47 Groningen Intercity 769 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4088, ICM-4 4225 ->
19:50 19:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4669 4
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2775, SNG-4 2724 ->

20:00 – 21:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:07 20:10 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4670 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2361, SNG-4 2782 ->
20:12 +3 20:13 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 770 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9569 ->
20:16 20:17 +1 Leeuwarden Intercity 1871 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7608 ->
20:20 20:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4671 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2709, SNG-3 2327 ->
20:37 20:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4672 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3042, SNG-3 2316 ->
20:42 +3 20:43 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1872 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4039, ICM-3 4086 ->
20:46 20:47 Groningen Intercity 773 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4220, ICM-3 4040 ->
20:50 20:54 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4673 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2721, SNG-4 2722 ->

21:00 – 22:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:07 21:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4674 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2724, SNG-4 2775 ->
21:12 21:13 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 774 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4038, ICM-4 4230 ->
21:16 21:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1875 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4219 ->
21:20 21:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4675 3
SLT-4SLT-6
SLT-4 2411, SLT-6 2640 ->
21:37 21:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4676 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2327, SNG-4 2709 ->
21:42 +2 21:44 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1876 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8740 ->
21:46 21:47 Groningen Intercity 777 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4068 ->
21:50 21:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4677 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2306 ->

22:00 – 23:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:07 22:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4678 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2722, SNG-4 2721 ->
22:12 22:13 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 778 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4069, ICM-4 4227 ->
22:16 22:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1879 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7541 ->
22:21 22:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4679 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3033, SNG-3 3023, SNG-3 2348 ->
22:37 22:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4680 2
SLT-6SLT-4
SLT-6 2640, SLT-4 2411 ->
22:42 +2 22:43 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1880 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4073, ICM-3 4081 ->
22:46 22:47 Groningen Intercity 781 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
22:50 22:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4681 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2703, SNG-4 2734 ->

23:00 – 24:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:07 23:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4682 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 2306 ->
23:12 +12 23:13 +12 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 782 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4088 ->
23:16 23:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1883 4
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9566 ->
23:20 +1 23:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4683 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2702 ->
23:37 +5 23:40 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4684 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 2348 ->
23:42 +3 23:43 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 1884 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7608 ->
23:46 23:47 Groningen Intercity 785 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4227 ->
23:50 23:54 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4685 3
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-3 2349, SNG-4 2779, SNG-3 2362 ->

00:00 – 01:00

3 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:07 +1 00:10 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 4686 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2734 ->
00:12 00:13 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 786 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4231 ->
00:16 00:17 Leeuwarden Intercity 1887 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4038 ->

01:00 – 02:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
01:08 +2 01:08 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 12690 1
SNG-3
SNG-3 2341 ->

03:00 – 04:00

1 service, 1 cancelled (100%), 1 delayed (100%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
03:10 03:11 Schiphol Airport Nachttrein 32796 —
Train is cancelled

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others